In the very beginning of both stories, at saramad hill, there is a small stone what looks like a box. if you hit this box 5-10 times a palmira bee appears. They are hard to kill straight on so to kill the bee use call of ice (Ice Armor level 3) or flame burst (flame skin level 3). They very often drop Palmira Ore which sells for 1000 p.p. and Dark Guide posts which sell for 200 p.p. and are needed to get to the hidden area. This works with both characters.